Darkfall Online

[Ground_zero]

Paradexomai pws den exw katsei na paiksw, afto symvenei epeidh prin to agorasw ekatsa kai epsaksa gia na dw ti meli genesthai kai to vrhka aneparkes sta shmeia pou anefera kai den eimai o monos pou to leei.

Epishs afto den mou afairei aftomata to dikaiwma na exw gnwmh gia kapoious mhxanismous tous opoious gnwrizw poly kala kathws exw asxolhthei me polla MMORPGs ws twra...

[Shaar]

Katarxin kalhspera se olous.


Psaxnontas gia kati sxetiko me to Darkfall vrethika se ayto to forum. Kanonika tha erixna mia matia kai tha prospernousa alla kapoia pragmata pou diavasa se ayto to thread me anagazoun na grapsw ena post, akoma kai an eimai entelos perastikos, gia na pw thn apopsh mou.


Prwton, to PvP eksorismou den einai dikaio. Ayto pou diafimizete apo pola paixnidia ws pvp, mono kai mono gia na traviksoun kosmo pou tou aresei ayto to eidos, kanonika tha eprepe na onomazete dueling. Se ena pragmatiko PvP game panta yparxei h pithanothta na peseis panw se enan exthro me tous 2 filous tou kai na pethaneis mesa se 2 deyterolepta kai fysika to antistrofo. Sto katw katw, ti tha htan to Counter Strike xwris friendly fire?


Deyteron, to na krinontai features opws to full loot kai to full pvp h to friendly fire ws akyra h geloia einai fysika mia ypokeimenikh apopsh alla deixnei oti aytos pou thn ekferei den borei na katanohsei poso vareto tha htan to gaming an ola ta paixnidia diepontan apo tous idous akrivos kanones. To thema einai pws syndiazontai ta features metaksy tous kai an to full pvp kai to full loot tairiazoun me ta ypoloipa stoixeia.


Triton, to na leei kapoios oti yparxoun mono 2 full pvp, full loot games, me olo to tharos apla ypodhlwnei agnoia. To Ultima online, to Eve Online kai to Shadowbane einai apla kapoia paradeigmata paixnidiwn me paromoia rulesets pou eixan h exoun akoma kai twra poly fanatikous paiktes.


Tetarton, to paixnidi exei sxediastei kai dimiourghthei ston megalytero vathmo apo Norvigous. Nai h etairia vriskete sthn athina alla to ellhniko stoixeio hrthe poly meta ta arxika stadia ths dimiourgias tou. Se kamia periptosh to paixnidi den exei dimiourgithei gia Ellines. Giayto kai megalo meros tou ellhnikou koinou agnwei thn yparksh tou h to pws akrivos einai. Gia tou logou to alithes se ayto to site http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/Darkfallonline.com tha deite oti to perisotero traffic sto darkfallonline.com proesxete apo Amerikh kai loiph Evroph. H Ellada exei molis ena 4.2% tou synolikou traffic.


Telos o oros MMORPG, anaferetai se paixnidia ta opoia sou epitrepoun na paikseis ena paixnidi, online, me polous allous taytoxrona kai sto opoio tha boreseis na paikseis enan kapoio rolo. Me thn paradosiakh enoia aytos o rolos einai kapoio class synithos. To Darkfall mhn exontas classes se afhnei na dialekseis esy monos sou poios tha einai aytos o rolos, kai to “fighting” opws leei o filtatos Ground Zero einai apla enas apo tous rolous pou boreis na paikseis. Me th dikh mou logikh ayto einai poio konta sto RPG para sto Fighting pou exoun 9 sta 10 “petyximena” mmorpgs poy kykloforoun.


Se kathe periptosh ennoeite oti o kathenas exei to diko tou gousto kai einai apolyta ikanos na dialeksei ti tou aresei kai to oxi. Parolayta otan krinoume kati prepei na exoume sto myalo mas kai thn antitheth apopsh, h kai to diaforetiko gousto tou kathenos.


Oso gia to population tou paixnidiou, sigoura den sygrinete me ta megathiria tou xwrou alla na thymaste oti ftiaxtike apo mia omada dekades fores mikroterh, me ena budget epishs dekades an oxi ekatontades fores mikrotero kai prospathise na kanei kati to opoio einai arketa spanio sta MMO's kai parolayta proxwraei mia xara. Borei to apotelesma na mhn sas aresei gia ton opoiodhpote logo alla nomizw oti h prospatheia, pou einai estw kai en merh ellhnikh, prepei na ektimate.

[L3ita]

Σωστά τα λες…

Ναι, my bad έπρεπε να είχα εκφραστεί διαφορετικά, δεν τα έχω παίξει τα παιχνίδια και γι’αυτό δεν μπορώ να εκφράσω γνώμη, αλλά όπως λες και εσύ πέφτουν στην ίδια κατηγορία.

[Ground_zero]

Egw egrapsa ti thewrw oti einai teratwdes lathos giaftou tou eidous ta paixnidia kai fysika afto einai to anoixto PVP, to loot tou nekrou kai to friendly fire.

Tha htan hdh kako ena yphrxe mono to anoixto PVP, alla to na dineis kai kinhtro sto na skotwneis anoixta kapoion (me to loot) einai aplws aparadekto me thn enoia tou oti den ginetai paixnidi.

Pws pernate thn hmera sas paizontas afto to paixnidi?
Kanontas Quest?
Leveling?
Psaxnontas gia kalo equipment?
Kynagate na skotwsete kapoion h trexete na ksefygete apo kapoion?

Xwris na exw paiksei to paixnidi eimai 100% sigouros pws symvenei to tetarto kai den tha sas pistepsw ean mou peite to antitheto...
Gia thn akriveia eimai sigouros pws ta chatboxes sas gemizoun me apanwta vrisidia 24/7 se afto to paixnidi kati pou einai apolyta logiko, ektos kai an epeita apo toso kairo to community exei symfiliwthei me to gegonos oti eite xanei tsampa ton xrono tou (kai exei fygei apo to paixnidi), eite paizoun mono gia to poios tha skotwsei ton allo prwtos ths ypotheshs kai oxi gia otidhpote allo.

Prospatheite na parousiasete to paixnidi ws poio elefthero, alla sthn pragmatikothta einai poio periorismeno efoson to mono pragma pou symvenei sthn kyrioleksia einai to kynhghto metaksy paixtwn.

Se ena pragmatiko PvP game panta yparxei h pithanothta na peseis panw se enan exthro me tous 2 filous tou kai na pethaneis mesa se 2 deyterolepta kai fysika to antistrofo. Sto katw katw, ti tha htan to Counter Strike xwris friendly fire?

Dhladh ean to fighting ginotan mono se arenes h se PVP zones den tha htan pragmatiko PVP? Ti tha htan Player vs computer?
Kai h paromoiwsh pou dineis teriazei apolyta!! Epeidh ta FPS einai to idio pragma me ena MMORPG...

Telos o oros MMORPG, anaferetai se paixnidia ta opoia sou epitrepoun na paikseis ena paixnidi, online, me polous allous taytoxrona kai sto opoio tha boreseis na paikseis enan kapoio rolo. Me thn paradosiakh enoia aytos o rolos einai kapoio class synithos. To Darkfall mhn exontas classes se afhnei na dialekseis esy monos sou poios tha einai aytos o rolos, kai to “fighting” opws leei o filtatos Ground Zero einai apla enas apo tous rolous pou boreis na paikseis

Oxi den katalaves, mporei to paixnidi na sou dinei fenomenika thn efkairia na kaneis kai kati allo, alla sthn ousia se wthei me tous kanones tou na kaneis mono afto.
Sta alla petyxhmena RPG mporeis na paikseis oti rolo theleis sthn kyrioleksia giati prwta prwta mporeis na epilekseis ean theleis na mpeis se PVP server, pragma pou ypothetw oti sto Darkfall den mporeis na kaneis.

Se kathe periptosh ennoeite oti o kathenas exei to diko tou gousto kai einai apolyta ikanos na dialeksei ti tou aresei kai to oxi. Parolayta otan krinoume kati prepei na exoume sto myalo mas kai thn antitheth apopsh, h kai to diaforetiko gousto tou kathenos.

Fysika, alla h ollh syzhthsh ksekinhse se ena style tou oti oi cool typoi paizoun Darkfall pou einai epic kai sklhropyrhniko kai oi noobs paizoun ta ypoloipa "efkola" MMORPGs ths plakas.
Einai olofanero pws diafwnw katheta me thn logikh tou Darkfall kai oso exei afta ta stoixeia oute kan tha tou riksw ena mati, alla edw den thelw sthn pragmatikothta na krinw toso to Drakfall san paixnidi, oso na pw thn gnwmh mou gia kapoious mhxanismous tou pou opws eipa kai prin tous thewrw apoluta lathos apo thn vash tous.


P.S: Oson afora ta 3 paixnidia pou aneferes me elefthero PVP h looting, eksaireseis pou epivevaiwnoun ton kanona (5 synollo versus xiliades) ena tetoio systhma panta tha einai gia tous ligous pou mallon kati allo psaxnoun na paiksoun kai oxi MMORPG.

[straier]

poso vareto tha htan to gaming an ola ta paixnidia diepontan apo tous idous akrivos kanones

Καλοί είναι οι νεωτερισμοί στα παιχνίδια αλλά κάποια στιγμή πρέπει να δούμε και πόσο σωστά λειτουργούν. Αν αύριο ας πούμε βγει ένα παιχνίδι στο οποίο αν κινήσεις προς τα πάνω το μοχλό ο χαρακτήρας κινείται προς τα πίσω, θα είναι ένας νέος κανόνας, αμφιβάλλω όμως ότι θα προσφέρει κάτι άλλο εκτός από εκνευρισμό (ή γέλιο).
Θέμα ρεαλισμού δεν τίθεται καν με αυτό το σύστημα. Ξεπερνώντας το γεγονός ότι όλοι οι κάτοικοι του κόσμου είναι πολεμιστές και κάποιοι κάνουν μαγικά (όλα πολύ ρεαλιστικά πάντα), ακόμα και στην πιο βίαιη κοινωνία δε σκοτώνεις όποιον δεις μπροστά σου έτσι για την πλάκα σου ή έστω για να τον κλέψεις. Για να μη μιλήσω για την ανυπαρξία μόνιμου θανάτου...
Το πρόβλημα με το συγκεκριμένο σύστημα είναι ότι σου δίνει πολύ μεγάλη ανταμοιβή για να φέρεσαι σα **** με ουσιαστικά μηδενική τιμωρία. Το μόνο αρνητικό είναι ότι μπορεί να συμβεί και σε σένα αλλά θα σου συμβεί κάνοντας ή όχι το δολοφόνο...
Θεωρητικά μπορεί να λειτουργήσει καλά με την καλή συμπεριφορά των παιχτών αλλά πραγματικά δυσκολεύομαι πολύ να το πιστέψω... Ειδικά όσο το δέλεαρ για να σκοτώσεις κάποιον είναι τόσο μεγάλο. Από όσο ξέρω στο Ούλτιμα λειτουργούσε καλύτερα αλλά έχω την εντύπωση πως το Ούλτιμα ήταν πολύ πιο RPG από το Darkfall.

Πλήρως σκληροπυρηνικό για hardcore gamers μόνο, με λίγα λόγια ένα παιχνίδι που δεν σηκώνει noobs!

Μόλις ακούω τέτοια για κάποιο παιχνίδι είμαι σίγουρος πως θα είναι γεμάτο noobs, απλά.

[Shaar]

Gyrisa me megaly epifilaksh na dw tis apantiseis kai perimena na exw ginei flame mexri ton allo kosmo, alla poly xarika pou eida posts tis prokophs.

Sta grhgora, sto Darkfall pername ton xrono mas kanontas quests, kanontas panw katw ayta pou kaneis sta perisotera mmos aplos me poly megalyterh eleytheria kai epiloges. Xtizoume poleis, katasrefoume kai katalamvanoume poleis allwn, ftiaxnoume karavia kai polemame panw kai me ayta klp gia na dosw kai paradeigmata activities pou den paizoun se alla games, toulaxisto oxi me th morfh pou yparxoun sto Darkfall.

Nai to PvP einai kyriarxo stoixeio kai aytos einai o logos pou asxolountai me to game osoi to paizoun, giati tous afhnei na kanoun PvP eleythera. Ayto opws swsta les Ground_zero exei ta kala tou kai ta kaka tou kai fysika einai thema protimishs. Alla otan mou les oti einai pio periorismeno logo tou oti einai pio eleythero to pvp einai ligo atopo.

Oso gia to equipment epeidh anaferthike kai pio panw, to Darkfall den einai item centered paixnidi. Ayto shmainei oti to equipment to vriskeis/agorazeis/lootareis eykola. Opote kai o full loot xarakthras den se kanei na xaseis 3 meres douleias otan o allos sou kanei loot mexri kai ta sovraka pou leei o logos.

Telos panton gia na mhn makrygorw, me ton L3ita den symfonw sto oti to paixnidi den einai gia noobs h oti osoi to paizoun einai oi super hardcore kai oloi oi alloi einai noobs klp. Apla gia na paikseis Darkfall prepei na eisai diatethimenos na niwseis kai thn htta se megalo vathmo. Emena ayto me ftiaxnei, me kanei na thelw na prospathisw perisotero, me kanei na xairomai 10 fores parapanw apo oti se alla games otan apla skotonw enan exthro, giati kserw oti to ekana riskarontas.

Kai telos otan lew gia paixnidia pou diepontai apo tous idious kanones straier den milaw gia neoterismous mono. Outos h allos oi neoterismoi krinontai apo tous paiktes, ayto pou ennow einai oti epeidh se kapoion borei na mhn aresei h na mhn exei nohma to full pvp kai to full loot, na mhn anagnorizei oti paixnidia tou eidous exoun mia aksia gia na paei to olo genre brosta.

Aa kai Ground_zero to mmorpg me to fps einai san na sygrineis mhla me akrides. O oros mmorpg exei na kanei me to an to paixnidi paizete online me polous allous paiktes kai to an yparxei character progression sthn ousia kai to fps einai to gameplay element. Syndiazontai mia xara kai ta dyo. Epishs otan mou les oti to Ultima Online, pou sthn ousia einai to paixnidi pou thespise ton oro MMORPG einai ekseresh ston kanona ee... den stekei.

[straier]

Sta grhgora, sto Darkfall pername ton xrono mas kanontas quests, kanontas panw katw ayta pou kaneis sta perisotera mmos aplos me poly megalyterh eleytheria kai epiloges. Xtizoume poleis, katasrefoume kai katalamvanoume poleis allwn, ftiaxnoume karavia kai polemame panw kai me ayta klp gia na dosw kai paradeigmata activities pou den paizoun se alla games, toulaxisto oxi me th morfh pou yparxoun sto Darkfall.

Αυτό ακούγεται ενδιαφέρον πραγματικά αλλά δεν έγινε καμιά αναφορά σε αυτά στο ποστ του L3ita...

Apla gia na paikseis Darkfall prepei na eisai diatethimenos na niwseis kai thn htta se megalo vathmo. Emena ayto me ftiaxnei, me kanei na thelw na prospathisw perisotero, me kanei na xairomai 10 fores parapanw apo oti se alla games otan apla skotonw enan exthro, giati kserw oti to ekana riskarontas.

Ειλικρινά δεν έχω πρόβλημα να χάνω σε παιχνίδια αρκεί να θεωρώ πως η πρόκληση αξίζει και έχει νόημα. Και το ρίσκο υπάρχει και σε PvE παιχνίδια. Αν προσπαθώ να κάνω ένα quest και με έχουν σκοτώσει 20 φορές στην πορεία δε μιλάμε για πρόκληση αλλά για μαζοχισμό.

Kai telos otan lew gia paixnidia pou diepontai apo tous idious kanones straier den milaw gia neoterismous mono. Outos h allos oi neoterismoi krinontai apo tous paiktes, ayto pou ennow einai oti epeidh se kapoion borei na mhn aresei h na mhn exei nohma to full pvp kai to full loot, na mhn anagnorizei oti paixnidia tou eidous exoun mia aksia gia na paei to olo genre brosta.

Δε διαφωνώ. Το πρόβλημα είναι πως κάτι που είναι potentially abusable is going to be abused ειδικά σε παιχνίδι με πολλούς παίκτες. Δηλαδή είναι μεν καλό να δοκιμάζονται διάφοροι μηχανισμοί αλλά κάποιες φορές καλύτερα να αφήνεις στην άκρη κάποιους που έχουν κάποια πολύ προφανή ελαττώματα και κατά τη γνώμη μου αμελητέα προτερήματα. Δεν έχω παίξει το παιχνίδι και έχει σημασία να δεις πως δουλεύει ο κάθε μηχανισμός σε συνεργασία με τους υπόλοιπους βέβαια, αλλά πραγματικά σύμφωνα με την περιγραφή του L3ita έβγαλα το συμπέρασμα πως λειτουργεί όπως ακριβώς περίμενα...

[Ground_zero]

As ta paroume apo thn arxh, prwta prwta den yparxei logos gia flame, o kathenas leei tis apopseis tou, den eimaste kai 5 xronwn... apo ekei kai ystera opws eipa kai prin, egw den krinw to Darkfall ws oloklhro paixnidi, giati sigoura stoixeia opws afta pou anafereis me tis poleis kai ta karavia akougontai (kai ypothetw pws einai) endiaferonta kai prototypa, parola afta, exw polous logous na pistevw pws to systhma me to free PVP kai loot den mporei pote na leitourgisei swsta se ena MMO paixnidi kai o perissoteros kosmos mexri stigmhs pistevw oti symfwnei mazi mou.

Ase me na sou ekshgisw kalytera giati pistevw pws ena tetoio systhma, aplws einai ekei gia na spatalaei ton xrono tou paixth.

Gia mia arxh o kanonas aftos anairei ton eafto tou.
Ean mporw na skotwnw kai na klevw kapoion xwris synepeies tote tha to kanw, omws edw yparxoun 2 synepeies:
- a) To "murdering"
- b) To oti yparxei periptwsh na sou kanoun to idio.

To oti tha se skotwsoun eite skotwseis esy kapoion eite oxi, einai dedomeno pistevw, opote pame apeftheias ston kanona tou "murdering" kai to giati aftos yparxei...

Profanws den yparxei ekei gia na empodizei tous fonous, giati ean leitourgouse kai ontws tous empodize, tote den yparxei eksarxhs logos gia ton kanona "Free PVP" tou paixnidiou.
Efoson sthn telikh den empodizei tous fonous, tote den kanei tipote kai tsampa ypaxei...

Apo thn allh, mou les pws ean se skotwsei kapoios kai sou parei ta pragmata den xaneis oute 3 meres paixnidiou giati den einai "item centered" game kai mporeis na ta pareis pisw poly efkola.
Na apanthsw pws kai mia wra mono na xaseis, EINAI xasimo xronou.
Prospernontas afto, legontas mou oti mporeis poly efkola na pareis pisw ta pragmata sou eite apo magazi, eite apo loots teratwn, eite apo fono, anairei 3 pragmata pou mou exete pei pws kanw lathos ws twra:

- a) To oti einai gia hardcore paixtes kai oti oi noobs den mporoun na paiksoun.
To antitheto malista, einai olofanero pws o kathe "noob" entos eisagwgikwn mporei opoiadhpote stigmh na mpei mesa kai se 3 meres na einai etoimos na skotwsei xwris na ton peirazei an pethanei kai ta xasei.

- b) To oti kanete otidhpote allo ektos apo to na skotwneste.
Poios o logos na kaneis questing kai farming (opoioudhpote eidous) efoson mporeis na apokthseis equipment me Player kills.

- c) H psevdaisthish ths eleftherias pou ypotithetai oti exete (RPG)...
Mou eipes to oti einai atopo afto pou lew gia periorismo ths eleftherias, alla na sou ekshgisw oti o periorismos den einai ekei epeidh sou afairei tis epiloges, alla epeidh sou epitrepei na ta kaneis ola me poio efkolo tropo.
Giati na kanw egw kapoio quest efoson mporw na afisw ton allo na ta kanei kai meta na tou ta klepsw?
Giati na kanw ton kopo na mazepsw lefta, efoson an skotwsw kapoion mporw na parw tous eksoplismous etoimous?
Giati na kanw otidhpote allo, efoson epivravevomai ean kanw mono ena pragma?

Na prosthesw pws den ekana egw thn sygrish me ta FPS alla esy, anaferontas to Counter Strike ws dikaiologia gia to Friendly Fire.
To "friendly fire" ws mhxanismos kai aftos, den ekshphretei se tipote allo, ektos apo to na prosferei eknevrismo anamesa stous xarakthres tou party.
Ean exete na ta valete me enan dyskolo exthro kai kapoios skotwsei katalathos kapoion allo apo to party epeidh den topotheththike h den ypologise kala, trwei h den trwei olo to vrisidi tou kosmou?
Epipleon ginetai Murderer h oxi? paizei na gyrisoun oi alloi tou party na ton skotwsoun kai na tou paroun ta pragmata? Kai ti tous empodizei na to kanoun?
Ean den mporoun na to kanoun tote oi mhxanismoi "elefthero PVP" kai "friendly fire" einai ypokritikoi sto elexisto.
Ean mporoun, pisteveis esy oti afto einai swsth timwria gia ena aplo lathos?

Me liga logia pistevw pws aftoi oi mhanismoi evnooun mia poly asxhmh koinwnia gia ena MMORPG paixnidi, mia koinwnia opoi epikratei h anarxia, opou o kathenas vrizei ton allo kathe ligo kai ligaki, mia koinwnia opou oloi ferontai asxhma stous sympaixtes tous.
Ekshghste mou ti to kalo mporei na petyxei to Darkfall me aftous tous kanones, pou den mporei na petyxei ena allo MMORPG to opoio exei PVP zones, h akoma kalytera PVP servers.

Kai gia na teleiwnei kai to thema me to Ultima Online, to oti htan to prwto den apodikneiei pws htan se ola swsto.
Einai logiko na diepetai apo ta "lathi" ths prwtias, lathi pou eprepe na diorthwthoun me thn ekseliksh twn paixnidiwn kai oxi na ta pane ena vhma pisw.
Ean aftoi oi mhxanismoi poulousan perissotero apo ta ypoloipa paixnidia, tote tha htan diaforetikh h skhnh twn MMO, alla apoti fenetai o perissoteros kosmos skeftetai diaforetika.
Merikoi periorismoi einai ftiagmenoi gia na veltiwnoun thn empeiria kai oxi gia na thn afairoun.
Gia emena thn arxh twn swstwn MMORPG thn ekane to Everquest...

[Shaar]

Tha ksekinhsw apo thn teleytaia frash sou. "Gia emena thn arxh twn swstwn MMORPG thn ekane to Everquest..."

Aytos kai mono einai o logos pou den tha "ta vroume" se ayto to thema pote. Den to lew gia kako, oi diaforetikes apopseis kai oi diafwnies stis syzhthseis, efoson vevea ginontai opws edw me epixeirimata klp, einai kati pou mou aresei poly giayto kai epestrepsa sto forum an kai den to skopeva.

Pou les, gia mena to "swsto" sta mmorpg htan to Ultima Online stis arxes tou. Htan to prwto mou mmo, tote pou akoma epezan elaxistoi kai ayto yparxei sto mualo mou ws as poume to idaniko sta mmorpg's. Synepws to Everquest gia mena einai h arxh ths katrakilas... Kai to lew ayto gia ton ekshs logo.

O oros MMORPG, nomizw symfwnoume, proypothetei ena paixnidi pou paizete online taytoxrona me polous allous paiktes kai yparxei kapoias morfhs character progression. Gia mena to paizw me polous allous paiktes taytoxrona einai ousiastikhs shmasias. Ena paixnidi pou sou epitrepei na to ksekinhseis kai na to teleiwseis ligo poly solo, ena paixnidi pou sthn ousia se "rwtaei" an kai pote thes na paikseis me allous, den einai ayto pou egw thewrw mmorpg. Kai otan lew me allous ennow eite se synergasia eite enantia. Safos ayto tha sou dimiourgisei kai eknevrismo otan tha theleis na kaneis kati monos sou kai tha erthei o allos na se skotosei alla tha sou dimiourghsei kai foverh ikanopoihsh otan tha katafereis kati dyskolo, mia ikanopoihsh pou egw proswpika apo ta 10ades mmorpg's pou exw paiksei, mono sto Ultima, sto Darkfall kai en merh sto Eve exw niwsei.

Yparxoun kai alles erwthseis sta posts sas alla nomizw oti kalypsa tis perisoteres me to post ayto. Na mhn to paw mia pros mia giati thn vapsame.

Nai to koino pou skeytete opws egw einai safos mikrotero apo to casual koino ton mmos pou thelei na bei mesa, na kanei 5 quests me thn isixia tou xwris na ton enoxlei tipota kai na paei gia ypno. Par'olayta einai ena sevastou megethous koino kai paixnidia opws to Eve apodyknioun to koino ayto dipsaei gia tetoia paixnidia me swstous kanones pou den periorizoun men thn eleytheria alla diathroun kai thn taksh.

Kai gia na mhn makrygoro... idietera pali gia ta 3 shmeia pou aneferes.

a) Pote den eipa tipota gia noobs klp. Eipa oti diafono me thn apopsh. Ayto pou apomekrynei pantos tous casual paiktes kai elkei tous as poume "hardcore" einai to oti oi men prwtoi exoun synithisei na mhn diakyndinevoun kai polla sta games pou paizoun opote me to prwto kill pou xasoun ola tous ta items eksafanizontai, kai oi deyteroi aplos to ksepernane kai synexizoun.

b) Ayto einai to thema, oti boreis na kaneis oti theleis. Questing, farming, crafting, pvp klp. Analoga me to styl sou san paikths kaneis kai ta antistoixa. Exeis ena dikio to oti to na skotoneis fenete pio appealing mias kai ta kaneis ola ta parapanw eykola alla den einai etsi gia enan poly aplo logo. Giati otan tha vgeis esy gia killing, pote den ksereis an aytos pou pas na vareseis einai kalyteros h xeiroteros apo sena mias kai den yparxoun oute levels oute tipota. Opote oi drasthriothtes moirazontai kai to tyflo killing to kanoun mono aytoi pou tous aresei kai fysika apodexontai kai tous kyndinous. Sto c) epishs isxyei h idia apanthsh.

Oso gia tous mhxanismous tou party borw na sou ekshghsw an theleis pws akrivos doulevei. Einai entelos diaforetiko apo alla games alla polyta symvato me th logikh tou Darkfall.

Kai gia na kleisw, den prospathw oute to Darkfall na yperaspistw oute tis epiloges mou. Ta gousta einai gia na diaferoun kai exw paiksei kai ena xrono WoW kathws kai polla alla mmo's apo ayta pou onomazw casual kai mia xara perasa. Gia allous logous omws me diaskedazei to ena eidos kai gia entelos allous to allo. Sygrinontas ta dyo eidh pantos, oi syginiseis kai h adrenalinh pou exw viwsei se Full PvP Full loot paixnidia den sygrinontai me tipota me ta alla pio lite mmo's, giayto kai ta protimw.

Yparxoun kai alles erwthseis sta posts sas alla nomizw oti me to post ayto exw kalypsei ta kyria shmeia. Na mhn to paw mia pros mia erwthsh giati ti vapsame.

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H diafora mas einai oti esy synexizeis kai pisteveis oti mporeis na kaneis polla pragmata sto eidos pou paizeis, sthn pragmatikothta eite pethaineis, eite skotwneis.

Ti empodizei mia, h polles omades xarakthrwn na thn exoun sthmenh se shmeia kleidia tou paixnidiou kai na skotwnoun olous osous pernoun apo ekei, gia panta?

Dhladh den mporeis na niwseis ikanopoihsh nikwntas enan dyskolo antipalo? Prepei na exeis sto myalo sou kai tous allous 10 pou erxontai gia na sou paroun to kill h akoma xeirotera na sou paroun kai ta sovraka?

Afto pou anafereis den einai adrenalinh, alla mazoxismos me to sympatheio.

Nomizeis oti dinetai megalyterh eleftheria etsi, alla egw pou den thelw na skotwnw, h na skotwnomai apo ton kathe tyxaio ti eleftheria exw se afto to paixnidi?
Kamia....

Giafto sou lew, paixnidia me PVP zones h servers, to kanoun kalytera kai apefthynontai pragmatika se olous.

Profanws den prokeitai na se peisw oti afta ta paixnidia othoun tous paixtes na ferontai asxhma o enas ston allo, giafto kai den to synexizw, o nown nohtw pistevw, to paixnidi afto exei dhmiourghthei gia na ikanopoihsei tous ligous opadous tou eidous kai pofanws to kanei apoti vlepw.

Kalo tha htan omws na mhn antimetopizontai oi ypoloipoi players ws "casuals" epeidh protimoun perissoterh eleftheria.
To Final Fantasy 11 ws MMORPG exei sxedon mhdeniko PVP, parola afta einai to poio dyskolo rpg pou exw paiksei kai to content tou sou prosferei poly adrenalinh, pethaineis me otidhpote prospathiseis na pareis solo, rikstou mia matia.

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Xwris na thelw na peisw gia kati, an apofasiseis na anageis ta full PvP games se paixnidia pou eite skotoneis einai skotonese tote nomizw oti kai egw borw na anagw ta ypoloipa se paixnidia pou apla anevaineis level kai painreis to kalytero equipment.

Den nomizw omws oti boreis na aferaiseis apo ena paixnidi olo tou to gameplay kai ta features kai aplos na meineis se ayto pou se xalaei esena proswpika. Giati nai tha pethaneis kai tha skotoseis alla ta activities pou prosfairontai einai 10ades fores perisotera apo ta Everquest clones.

Ti ebodizei mia omada apo to na katalavei theseis kleidia? Prwton to oti yparxoun tosa shmeia kleidia kai o kosmos einai xwris zones kai invisible walls pou kati tetoio einai anefikto. Deyteron paramenontas sto idio shmeio gia wra nai borei na skotosoun tous prwtous 10 pou tha skasoun xwris na kseroun oti kapoios einai ekei kai perimenei alla epishs diakyndinevoun ta mazeftei to antipalo clan X kai na tous skotosei pairnontas oti mazevan tosh wra. Ola einai dynamika kai oxi gramika, giayto kai den prokeite na symfwnisw me ayto pou les gia periorismenh eleytheria. Gia mena periorismenh eleytheria einai na skotono ena mob kai na erxete o allos o akinonhtos pou variete th zwh tou na mou klevei to kill h na mou fernei train 10 mobs panw mou kai egw to mono pou na borw na kanw na einai na tou riksw kana kantili se private chat epeidh einai to idio race me emena.

Twra esy pou thes thn isixia sou kai thes na kaneis ta quests sou klp sigoura den exeis logo na paikseis to Darkfall kai oute ksekinhsa thn kouventa me ayto to skopo. Nai einai paixnidi gia ligous kai pote den tha xtypisei megala onomata, kanena paixnidi me tetoio ruleset den tha to kanei.

Omws ayto den shmainei kati. Einai san na mou les na oti to heavy metal prepei na ekleipsei giati aytoi pou to akoun einai ligoi opote as vgazoun oloi pop pou to akoune perisoteroi. Xontrokomeno paradeigma alla nomizw katanohto ti thelw na pw.

Oso gia thn adrenalinh kai to mazoxismo, ligo varys o xarakthrismos alla sthn poreia ths kouventas tha dexthw na to afhsw asxoliasto. To thema eina oti egw kai poly alloi xwris ayto to synaisthima tis aveveothtas, oti opou kai na pas prepei na prosexeis kai na eisai sygentromenos sto paixnidi 100%, tha protimousame na paizoume ena single player rpg giati kai ayta ta mmos me tous periorismous sto pvp, sto pve sto crafting kai den kserw gw pou allou, sto telos san single player einai.

Tha omoligisw pantos oti me Final Fantasy den exw asxolithei katholou se kamia tou ekdosh kai morfh kai exw skeytei polles fores oti prepei na to dokimasw estw gia logous istorias.

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Giati nai tha pethaneis kai tha skotoseis alla ta activities pou prosfairontai einai 10ades fores perisotera apo ta Everquest clones.

Dhladh poia aktivities parapanw? Giati profanws den einai item driven paixnidi kai oi eksoplismoi yparxoun ekei mono kai mono gia na exei logo na se skotwsei kapoios kai na stous parei, outs h allws mporeis na tous pareis pisw se 1 wra apoti exw katalavei.

Ti ebodizei mia omada apo to na katalavei theseis kleidia?

Den mporei na mhn yparxei tipote to shmantiko gia ton paixth sto paixnidi, alla as to afisw afto to thema, tha mporouse kapoios na katsei sthis eksodous twn polewn, h ekei pou anastenetai kapoios kai na ton skotwnoun me to pou mporoun na ton varesoun.

alla epishs diakyndinevoun ta mazeftei to antipalo clan X kai na tous skotosei pairnontas oti mazevan tosh wra

Kai meta tha feroun aftoi to clan tous, kai tha kanoun to idio, kai meta tha feroun ksana to clan tous oi alloi kai tha kanoun to idio, kai meta tha feroun oi alloi to clan tous.....

Gia mena periorismenh eleytheria einai na skotono ena mob kai na erxete o allos o akinonhtos pou variete th zwh tou na mou klevei to kill h na mou fernei train 10 mobs panw mou kai egw to mono pou na borw na kanw na einai na tou riksw kana kantili se private chat epeidh einai to idio race me emena.

Ah! ena provlhma pou mporei na lythei efkola, kanei claim aftos pou xtypaei prwtos to mob (kaneis allos den mporei na to xtyphsei pleon) kai epeita meta to kill, to item paei apeftheias sto inventory xwris na prepei na to mazepseis apo katw.
Yparxoun polla mobs opote wriste, siga to provlhma, kaneis den skotwthike kai kaneis den eknevristhke.

Kai ti einai xeirotero? To na sou parei o allos to mob kai na mhn mporeis na tou kaneis tipote?, h to na einai 2 atoma kai na skotwnoun esena anti to mob, na sou pairnoun ta pragmata kai pali na mhn mporeis na kaneis tipote?

Pali se vrisidia katalhgeis, egw edwsa lysh sto provlhma sou, esy mporeis na mou doseis lysh sto diko mou provlhma?

Omws ayto den shmainei kati. Einai san na mou les na oti to heavy metal prepei na ekleipsei giati aytoi pou to akoun einai ligoi opote as vgazoun oloi pop pou to akoune perisoteroi. Xontrokomeno paradeigma alla nomizw katanohto ti thelw na pw.

Oxi einai san na lew pws oi fonoi tha mporousan na ekleipsoun giati poio poly kako kanoun para kalo.

To thema eina oti egw kai poly alloi xwris ayto to synaisthima tis aveveothtas, oti opou kai na pas prepei na prosexeis kai na eisai sygentromenos sto paixnidi 100%, tha protimousame na paizoume ena single player rpg giati kai ayta ta mmos me tous periorismous sto pvp, sto pve sto crafting kai den kserw gw pou allou, sto telos san single player einai.

Enw ean eisai sygentrwmenos 100%, ama sthn pesoun 5 atoma mporeis na ksefygeis, h mou les oti ean prepei na peraseis anamesa apo 1 oloklhro kastro mobs pou se exoun 1 xtyphma gia plaka, to kaneis xwris na eisai 100% sygentrwmenos?
Kai se poious periorismous sto PVE - crafting anaferesai?
To Darkfall entaksei se periorizei sto PVE na to katalavw alla ta alla?
Multiplayer den einai mono to PVP, multiplayer einai kai to na kaneis party gia na nikhseis to PC, multiplayer einai kai events pou topothetoun polous enantia se polous, multiplayer einai kai to na katseis aplws na milhseis me ton allo, multiplayer einai KAI to sketo Duel.
Den isxyei afto pou eipes gia single player.

Tha omoligisw pantos oti me Final Fantasy den exw asxolithei katholou se kamia tou ekdosh kai morfh kai exw skeytei polles fores oti prepei na to dokimasw estw gia logous istorias.

Ta Final Fantasy einai single player RPGs, sygekrimena to FF11 einai to online kai twra to 2010 tha vgei kai to FF14 pou einai epishs MMO.
Parola afta den sou lew na to paikseis, to anaferw ws paradeigma poly dyskolou MMORPG, to opoio exei sxedon mhdeniko PVP (mono Duel).
Se ekeino to paixnidi to Multiplayer eksanagazetai epeidh den mporeis na nikhseis tipote monos sou, xreiazesai omada opwsdhpote.

Prswpoxh! xwris na thelw na pw pws to FF11 to kanei swsta, swsto einai opoio MMO prosferei PVP zones h PVP servers gia na tous efxaristei olous!

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Loipon ok nomizw to analysame arketa, mesa apo ena forum den tha katalhksoume pouthena kai outos h allos h olh syzhthsh den einai gia na peisei o enas ton allon.

Sto teleytaio post pou ta xalases ligo giati ta epixierimata sou den lamvanoun ypopsin olh thn kouventa, kai gia to ti acitivities paizoun sou eipa, xtisimo polewn karavia klp, to thema me tis theseis kleidia to anelysa kai sou eipa oti einai tosa polla ta shmeia pou den einai efikto apo pou les kai ayto pou les me to oti tha fernei o enas to clan tou kai meta o allos klp klp paei na pei oti tha einai kai ta dyo clans toso hlithia pou tha katsoun ekei pera gia 5 wres xanontas synexia ayta pou exoun mazepsei. Den borw na sou apanthsw se ola ayta, to ekana hdh sto kalytero ton dynatothtwn mou.

Oso gia thn eykolh lush sto provlima me to poios tha parei to kill klp pes sto saytous pou paizoun Aion kai alla games pou to systhma einai diaforetiko kai to kill to pairnei opoios kanei to perisotero damage.

Kai sayto me tous fonous pali to phges entelos ypervolika kai den yfistate sygrish... Mou sygrineis ena MMO pou den sou aresei me ena fono?...

Kai an to swsto MMO einai ayto pou prospathei na tous eyxaristei olous... th vapsame. Poikilia 0, na ta kanoume ola ta idia na doume poios tha paizei meta.

Telos panton eipa na mhn grapsw toso alla me paraserneis Den prospathw na se peisw na paikseis Darkfall, aplos prospathw na se peisw oti paixnidia san to Darkfall einai ayta pou tha to pane to genre brosta. An paizame oloi WoW h Final Fantasy epeidh "etsi einai ta swsta mmo" den tha evgete pote tipota allo, mono ayto lew apla.

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Nomizw pws me parekshghses, to oti antidrw se kapoious mhxanismous tou darkfall den shmenei aftomatws pws yposthrizw to WoW, h to Final Fantasy.

To antitheto malista, exw dialeksei stoixeia pou mou aresane se diafora MMO pou exw paiksei, kai ta vazw ws vash sygrishs gia alla MMO.

Tha mporousa na sou kanw diplasia katevata apo afta pou egrapsa edw gia to ti den mou aresei sto WoW, sto Final Fantasy, alla kai sto Aion omws tha vgainame ektos thematos.

Tha sou pw oti mexri twra den eimai plhrws efxaristhmenos me kanena MMO pou exw paiksei, eimai sigouros pws kai to Darkfall tha exei ta dika tou thetika stoixeia, alla gia mena oti anefera ws twra den einai mesa se afta.