Reality game για fightings από την Capcom; Σοβαρά;

[Vetus]

http://penny-arcade.com/report/editorial-article/sexual-harassment-as-ethical-imperative-the-ugly-side-of-fighting-games

Δεν ξέρω τι είναι χειρότερο: τ' ότι η Capcom διοργανώνει reality game για fightings ή τ' ότι ορισμένοι gamers που παίζουν ανταγωνιστικά το παίρνουν το θέμα fighting πολύ σοβαρά σε σημείο να συμπεριφέρονται σαν καραγκιόζηδες; Kαι δεν έχει να κάνει το γεγονός ότι ο τυπάς στο event αυτό κάνει σεξιστικά σχόλια σε θηλικό αντίπαλο, θα μπορούσε ο αντίπαλός του να ήταν κι αυτός αγόρι και να του έκανε π.χ. ρατσιστικά σχόλια. Kάποιοι gamers χρειάζονται απαραιτήτως αρκετή εξάσκηση στα social skills τους, κυρίως αν δεν θέλουν να δίνουν κακή φήμη στο gaming community.

[Vaynard]

η capcom διωργανωσε αυτο το reality που συμμετειχε ολο το FGC της αμερικης με ενθουσιασμο (και με videakia για αιτησεις) στα πλαισιο δημιουργιας hype και δημοσιοτητας ωστε να βοηθησει με την υποστηριξη της το FGC να γινει ευρυτερα γνωστο στο mainstream gaming community αλλα και την προωθηση των FG μεσα στο φασμα των e-sports ,


το σκηνικο πηρε διαστασεις απο το πουθενα εγινε η τριχα τριχια και ξαφνικα βρεθηκε να κατηγορειται ολο το FGC για bad social skills , bad manners , ρατσισμο, sexismo , φαλλοκρατισμο και δεν ξερω και εγω τι αλλο προφανως και ειναι εκτος πραγματικοτητας ολα αυτα, ως ενα σημειο μαλλον ειναι λογικο καποιος εξωτερικος παρατηρητης/journalist/gamer/συντακτης που δεν παρακολουθει το παγκοσμιο FGC να υποθεσει γραψει/υποθεσει κατι παραπανω/ η διαφορετικο αλλα μερικα κειμενα ξεπερνουνε καθε φαντασια

το οτι διαφημιστηκε το FGC σε penny arcade, kotaku και αλλα κορυφαια gaming sites μονο καλο ειναι εστω και με το τιμημα της αρνητικης δημοσιοτητας, οπως λενε και στο χωριο μου ''πες οτι θες για μενα αρκει να πεις σωστα το ονομα μου'' το reality λοιπον το cross assault πετυχε το στοχο του κατα καποιον τροπο

δεν θελω να μπω σε λεπτομεριες αλλα μιας και παρακολουθω καθημερινως σχεδον τι γινεται στο community να αναφερω oτι ο Αris εχει ηδη γραψει στο twitter του το ποσο λυπαται για την τροπη που πηρανε τα πραγματα και εχει ζητησει συγνωμη απο την superyan, θελανε προφανως απο την παραγωγη να δημιουργησουνε drama οποτε σιγουρα θα ειχε πεσει παρασκηνιο απο πισω για να δημιουργηθουνε σκοπιμως σκηνικα, αλλωστε μιλαμε για reality show , εγω χωρις να επικροτω τα σχολια και τις πονηρες ερωτησεις του Ari (ο οποιος οντως το παρακανε) προς την superyan την ειδα να χασκογελαει μπροστα στην καμερα και δεν εδειξε καμια δυσαρεσκεια στα πειραγματα την ωρα που τα εκανε ο αλλος


εδω ενα editorial απο τον inkblot του www.shoryuken.com που κανει την απαραιτητη αυτοκριτικη και μιλαει για το θεμα αλλα και για το ψευτικο rivalry μεταξυ δυο κορυφαιων παιχτων του jago και mike ross πηγη

Back to Basics, Getting Beyond the Drama
Capcom wanted a reality show, and boy did they get one. There was plenty of drama in Cross Assault, but the real surprise for me was how quickly the show bled outside of Capcom’s offices and into the general fabric of the Internet. Streamers like Arturo Sanchez and LI Joe picked up on the daily controversy and rehashed it, creating a near 24-7 echo chamber of drama for the past week. Perhaps inevitably, the mainstream gaming media got wind of the worst of this and pounced on every salacious tweet and stream.
In the aftermath, some are saying that the fighting game scene is being unfairly characterized. Others say that drama is just a new way of life in the age of the stream monster. There’s a little truth to both of those, but here’s the important thing: this drama does not represent what the fighting game scene is or why it is so special. But it’s a glimpse of what we could become if we don’t take this week’s lessons to heart.


The Fighting Game Scene: Who We are Really
In case you’re new, or just need a reminder, this is who we are. Seriously, watch it. It’s a great cure for your post-drama hangover.

No drama. No popoffs. Just a few thousand or so players from all walks of life who share the same passion. You don’t have to hear what people are saying or understand the intricacies for Street Fighter IV to appreciate what makes this scene special. And this isn’t an Evo thing. This magic happens every week on a smaller scale all over the world.
There are two things I love about fighting game players. The first is the pure competitive drive that you see in the players’ eyes. Players love the game and love competing. Fighting games are a means to measure yourself, whether you’re a new player or one of the best in the world. Rivalries are a big part of that. A rival will push you to get better. The biggest rivalries motivate entire legions of players and account for some of the best moments in fighting game history: Choi vs. Valle, Watson vs. Lee, Justin vs. Sanford, Justin vs. the whole west coast, and now Justin vs. the whole east coast.
The tragedy behind the Mike Ross vs. Jago setup is not the matches. Mike says that the matches were legitimate and I believe him 100%. But the rivalry was clearly manufactured. Mike Ross vs. Jago wasn’t about the competition. The competition was a farce — both matches were 5-0 beatdowns. It was about manipulating stream monsters to believe that they should care about something that was meaningless. Jago knew that when he said, “it aint about that playin’ anymore, it’s about the paper.” By playing up a fake rivalry, Mike Ross and Jago conned their way into a $1000 show match that they didn’t deserve, but worse they undercut the competitive spirit that drives the scene.
Both Mike and Jago have done great things on the production side with Cross Counter and Finger Cramp respectively. They are both good guys who made a mistake. There’s no need to beat them up any more on this, but we all need to remember the lesson. Authentic competition is what makes fighting game content so engaging to watch. Faking it up undercuts the players’ and fans’ confidence in the quality of what so far has been an outstanding product.

Sexism, Harassment, and Us

The second thing I love about fighting game players is how genuinely accepting the scene is. The scene is the most diverse on the planet, with players from all races, sexual orientations, and walks of life. Tournaments are social, in-person events where it’s easy to meet new people and make new friends over the game. My biggest disappointment this weekend is that when Aris said that rowdy behavior and sexual harassment was “one in the same thing” with the fighting game scene, no one called him on it (especially Jared, who knows better).
Yes, the scene is rowdy and uses colorful language. A lot. But that’s just the hard candy shell. It does not define us. Ask any long-time player about their favorite memories and almost no one will tell you about the time a caster yelled some obscenity, or the time someone popped off in another guys’ face. People will tell you about their first event, or maybe a particularly memorable grand finals, or the fun times hanging out with friends after the event, or the fantastic trip to a new place where they met new people and became friends. That is what defines us.
But there is a grain of truth to what Aris is saying, because frankly a lot of players use the scene as a cocoon where they can shed the usual social decencies and behave badly. I do believe that the scene can be an unwelcoming environment for women. Some of this is due to the game’s natural, high-strung competitive vibe, but a lot of it is just crass behavior that you would not get away with outside of our male-dominated boy’s club. This is way too big of a topic for this article, but it’s something that I think we need to face and address. It’s not about coddling women or sanitizing the scene. It’s about instilling a common sense decency and calling out the blatantly bad behavior that today often gets a pass.
Back to basics

So what do I mean when I say “back to basics?” The formula that built the scene is remarkably simple. Play the game. Play to win. Watch what happens. That’s all you need, because when you do that, amazing things happen. All the time. What does the scene need to be successful? Stick to what we’ve done over the past 20 years, because it’s amazing.
We also have to embrace opportunity. The world of fighting games is now much bigger than just players and tournament organizers. When others want to be involved with good intentions, we need to be more accepting. This goes for content producers (who may not be top players), journalists, and casuals who enjoy watching the game but will never attend a major tournament. It also means having a little more sensitivity to demographics outside 18-28 year old males, but like I said, that’s a topic for another day.

αλλο ενα ακομα καλυτερο κειμενο απο τον spooky στο neogaf τον ανθρωπο που streamarei ακαταπαυστα τα περισσοτερα fighting games events και τουρναμεντs στην αμερικη

I see a lot of discussion in here. I don't really have in interest in talking about this issue publicly because although this happened at Cross Assault, this is more of an issue of people and less of an issue about the show. this just happened to happen at cross assault, but it happens all the time, all over the world.

Aris and Miranda are both very kind, very real people. They were placed into a super high tension situation, and both cracked under pressure.

The main point and issue here is that comments made by Aris added to her tension and pressure. Since those early comments, he apologized to her directly many times, and genuinely seemed concerned for what he had done. His own stress accumulated over the course of the show, and looming over his head the entire time was this issue as well, which im sure added to it. Even he did not realize the scope at which he would be vilified for his comments until we discussed them being talked about on major sites.

Before I continue I would like to point out that yes, there are a lot of OG players with an OG mentality. You could call that an 'old guard' but that isn't really the truth. these guys just enjoy Fighting Games and want to continue enjoying them, and all aspects of why they enjoy them, including the gritty, competitive atmosphere they remember facing in the early days when they first began playing competitively.

What Aris did was wrong. He has sincerely apologized both to Miranda and publicly on Twitter. This is a harsh life lesson for him, someone who enjoys his own uncensored nature, to realize just how bad his words and his egging someone on can hurt another person. In a sense this is about "growing up". and Yes, the scene is growing up, as much as people do not believe it. But it will take a long time for the scene to really come together and understand what growing up is all about. Lessons like this are ones that will need to be learned, so people can see their mistakes and recover from them.

Last year around this time, I made some very controversial statements about evo and level up, which I am sure a lot of you guys remember. though at the time that was how I felt, afterwards i really realized the damage my statements had caused, and I apologized sincerely. It seems to me my apology was accepted, as I was allowed to be a part of the team for evo that year.

All I am saying here is yes Miranda was hurt by what Aris said, but we need to give Aris a chance to recover from this lesson. this is not about removing the R-Rated nature of the FGC, because that to me appears to be unnecessary and is not in my current plan for any of my big events. However it is about also knowing how much damage your words can do to both a person's mind and heart, and also to the scene.

I hope that we can stick together, and all learn this lesson together. Sexual Harassment is a bad thing, and much like things like stealing, & murder, is just in some people's human nature and can never be completely stopped. However if we can make it so people understand both sides I think that will help. Everyone has their own opinions about life and the world, and I do not want to censor their opinion, rather I would like to inform them of the pain a harsher type of thing like harassment/bullying can do to another person, so that perhaps they can understand and change.

I guess this was wordy and not every expressive in the end. Even I have made sexist remarks at times, but over time I've learned to be more sensitive to women, and hopefully others will too. and if they dont choose to, that is their prerogative, but at the least keeping those views private to their own following and not the general public can help.

αυτα λοιπον τα 2 κειμενα παραπανω αντιπροσωπευουν ως ενα βαθμο το FGC (fighting game community) και οχι οτιδηποτε αλλο διαβασετε σε αλλα sites απο ανθρωπους που δεν εχουνε καμια σχεση με αυτο

[Ground_zero]

Vre kai 1000 ta % sthmeno na htan to skhniko, siga ta avga, sto League of Legends afta einai kathimerina pragmatakia...
Ratsistika sxolia theleis? Fysika!
Sexistika sxolia theleis? Vevaiws!
Mhpws theleis na akouseis gia thn mana sou? Kai afto ginetai!

Eimai sigouros pws to idio isxyei gia opoiodhpote antagwnistiko paixnidi (gia reality show oute logos).
Pera apo tis sthmenes faseis loipon, to mono pou xreiazetai h syntagh einai enas anthrwpos ma***as kai enas logos gia na ekdhlwthei h ma***ia...


Egw mono thetika exw na pw gia to Fighting games community pou exw gnwrisei ws twra, mou anoiksane ta spitia tous (gia evdomades kai epanhleimena) efaga apo to fai tous, epaiksa me ta paixnidia tous, diaskedasame ka sthn telikh tous exw filous akomh kai twra.

[straier]

OMG, ένα reality show στημένο με ίντριγκες και τσακωμούς. Απίστευτο!