Final Fantasy XIV

[deus_d0pe]

όπως και να χει, στα γνωστά θα είναι από φράγκα. Η όλη πρεμούρα μου είναι στο διαταύτα και αν τελικά είναι το XIV αυτό που θα προσφέρει ένα pusharisma παραπέρα.

[Ground_zero]

An milas genika gia prototypia sta MMO, h Square isws na mhn exei thn aparaithth empeiria gia na to kanei, alla opws kai na exei toulaxiston apo quests to FFXI den me eixe apogohtefsei.

To paramikro quest pou epernes htan san istoria apo mono tou me cutscenes kai ta loipa.
Opws kai na exei einai poly poio edniaferon apo to synhthismeno text given quest apo enan teleiws aprswpo xarakthra mono kai mono gia na pareis ta exp sto telos.

Alla apo thn allh ta quests sto FFXI htan megala, sxedon adynaton na ta kaneis solo kai den dinan exp sto telos (synhthws dinan items h ksekleidwnan kati, opws xartes perioxhs h kainouria classes, h xrhsh mount kai airsip ktl ktl.

Afto pou thelw egw apo afto to MMO einai ligo poio theamatiko animation stis kinhseis apoti sto FF11 kai ena koumpi almatos giati htan to ligotero gelio to na kollas se 1 ekatosto empodia (an kai epeidh einai final fantasy mallon den mporw na elpizw polla).

A ena teleftaio, gia osous theloun na to dokimasoun, na eiste proetoimasmenoi gia polu dyskolo xeirismo, ean einai otidhpote san to FF11 (kai mallon tha einai giati tha paizei kai apo PS3) den tha exei "clickies" epanw katholou, ola tha ginontai me koumpia.

[Altair]

Σαν το WoW δηλαδή;

[Ground_zero]

An enweis ton xeirismo oxi.

[Link123]

Ψηνομαι αρκετα να ασχοληθω επιτελους με ενα MMO Final Fantasy μιας και με το XI δεν ειχα ποτε την τυχη ουτε την ευκαιρια να ασχοληθω μαζι του.

Απο MMO εχω ασχοληθει μοναχα με WoW (3 χρονια τωρα...) και δεν σκοπευω να το σταματησω τουλαχιστον μεχρι να βγει ακομη ενα expansion.. Και το λεω αυτο γιατι μου φαινεται κομματακι δυσκολο να παιζεις ταυτοχρονα δυο MMO, κουλουβαχατα θα γινει

Ουτως η αλλως το XIV απο τι φαινεται θα αργησει πολυυυυ ακομη (ειδικα για Ευρωπαικη αγορα..) οποτε εχουμε μελλον ως τοτε.

Και η ιδεα "no levels" μπορει να μην ακουγεται ως θετικο σαν πρωτη ματια, αλλα σιγουρα θα εχει ενδιαφερον.. Square ειναι αυτη, κατι καλο ετοιμαζει!

A ena teleftaio, gia osous theloun na to dokimasoun, na eiste proetoimasmenoi gia polu dyskolo xeirismo, ean einai otidhpote san to FF11 (kai mallon tha einai giati tha paizei kai apo PS3) den tha exei "clickies" epanw katholou, ola tha ginontai me koumpia.

Αυτο δεν το πολυκαταλαβα. Oπως ειπα με XI δεν εχω ιδεα "τι παιζει" αλλα οταν λες με κουμπια, θα ειναι πχ οπως ολα τα κλασσικα Final Fantasy ? (VII - XII)

Δεν θα εχει interface με τα spells και τα attacks? Συνηθως τετοια εικονα UI εχω σχηματισει σε ΜΜΟ, οπως ειναι και το WoW φυσικα.

[Ground_zero]

Απο MMO εχω ασχοληθει μοναχα με WoW (3 χρονια τωρα...) και δεν σκοπευω να το σταματησω τουλαχιστον μεχρι να βγει ακομη ενα expansion.. Και το λεω αυτο γιατι μου φαινεται κομματακι δυσκολο να παιζεις ταυτοχρονα δυο MMO, κουλουβαχατα θα γινει

To sygekrimeno MMO lene pws einai ftiagmeno gia na mporei kapoios pou paizei FFXI, na mporei na paizei kai to XIV taftoxrona
Eimai teleiws antithetos me thn idea tou na paizei kapoios 2 MMO alla aplws sou lew ti anakoinwse h etairia.

Ουτως η αλλως το XIV απο τι φαινεται θα αργησει πολυυυυ ακομη (ειδικα για Ευρωπαικη αγορα..) οποτε εχουμε μελλον ως τοτε.

To paixnidi tha vgei mesa sto 2010 kai h kykloforia tou tha einai taftoxronh, giati theloun na apofygoun to lathos pou eixe ginei sto FFXI pou kykloforise stadiaka kai yphrxe megalh diafora anamesa stous Iapwnes - Amerikanous kai Evrwpaious xarakthres.
H Beta tha krathsei 4 mhnes, opote to perimenoume sxetika nwris...

Αυτο δεν το πολυκαταλαβα. Oπως ειπα με XI δεν εχω ιδεα "τι παιζει" αλλα οταν λες με κουμπια, θα ειναι πχ οπως ολα τα κλασσικα Final Fantasy ? (VII - XII)

Δεν θα εχει interface με τα spells και τα attacks? Συνηθως τετοια εικονα UI εχω σχηματισει σε ΜΜΟ, οπως ειναι και το WoW φυσικα.

Den mporw na kserw, omws logika tha einai ftiagmeno wste na paizei kai me xeiristhrio konsolas opws to FFXI.
Oi megales diafores einai sto interface kai sthn kinhsh (kameras - xarakthra).
To interface ypothetw pws tha einai afto enos kanonikou Final Fantasy me ta drop menus opou epilegeis Attack - Skill - Magic - Summon ktl ktl
Sto FFXI den yparxei interface me ta skills se tetragwnakia, h othonh einai entelws adeia me eksairesh ta Buffs - Debuffs pou fenontan sto panw meros ths othonhs kai to chatbox sto katw.

Tha sou proteina na rikseis mia matia sto video pou ekana me to FFXI gia na katalaveis ti enow, des to shmeio me thn maxh:

Oson afora ta commands kai thn kinhsh tou xarakthra twra, einai asta na pane
To attack, ginetai me "ALT + A", gia na kaneis scroll up sto chatbox patas to "+", gia na kaneis rest patas to "*", Ta skills ginontai me "Alt +1 ews 9" kai me "control + 1 ews 9".

Gia na perpatas prepei na kratas pathmeno to aristero klik kai na kaneis synexomena pros ta epanw
Thn kamera thn xeirizesai eite me ta velakia, eite phgainontas ton kersora sthn akrh ths othonhs.

Telos pantwn eipa polla, prepei na to paikseis gia na katalaveis ti enow, elpizw gia to FF14 na skefthkan kati kalytero pantws

Den kserw an to exw anaferei alla sto sxedio twn xarakthrwn tou FFXIV einai o typas tou Vagrant story kai FFXII enw sthn mousikh einai o Nobuo Uematsu FTW etsi? Mhn ksexniomaste

[Evans]

Ο χειρισμός, έτσι όπως τον περιγράφεις, ακούγεται τραγικά απαίσιος . Εγώ το XIV θα το παίξω στο PS3, οπότε θα είναι σίγουρα ποιο εύκολη η μετακίνηση και η αλλαγή κάμερας.

[Link123]

Oson afora ta commands kai thn kinhsh tou xarakthra twra, einai asta na pane
To attack, ginetai me "ALT + A", gia na kaneis scroll up sto chatbox patas to "+", gia na kaneis rest patas to "*", Ta skills ginontai me "Alt +1 ews 9" kai me "control + 1 ews 9".

Gia na perpatas prepei na kratas pathmeno to aristero klik kai na kaneis synexomena pros ta epanw
Thn kamera thn xeirizesai eite me ta velakia, eite phgainontas ton kersora sthn akrh ths othonhs.

Telos pantwn eipa polla, prepei na to paikseis gia na katalaveis ti enow, elpizw gia to FF14 na skefthkan kati kalytero pantws

Den kserw an to exw anaferei alla sto sxedio twn xarakthrwn tou FFXIV einai o typas tou Vagrant story kai FFXII enw sthn mousikh einai o Nobuo Uematsu FTW etsi? Mhn ksexniomaste

Αιντε καλα! Συμφωνω με Evans!! Εχοντας συνηθισει και τον πολυ φιλικο χειρισμο στο WoW, αν ασχοληθω στο PC με XI, PVP τουλαχιστον (btw υπαρχει ή ειναι μονο PVE?) δεν υπαρχει περιπτωση να νικησω κανεναν

Παντως μεγαλη χαζομαρα αυτο... Κανονικα στην εκδοση για PC επρεπε να αλλαξουν τελειως το θεμα commnads,controls, interface.. Ετσι οπως περιγραφεται σε κονσολα θα ειναι σαφως πιο ευκολος και ανετος ο χειρισμος..

Ελπιζω να ασχοληθουν περισσοτερο με την εκδοση για PC και να μην κανουν απλα ενα port απο την κονσολα.. Διαφορετικα το PS3 δεν το γλυτονω

Btw εξαιρετικο το βιντεακι.. Και πραγματικα για παιχνιδι 2002 δειχνει εξαιρετικα ομορφο και με τελεια περιβαλλοντα..!

[Ground_zero]

Yparxei PVP sto FF11 alla thelei oloklhrh grafeiokrateia gia na to kaneis.
Ginetai me 2 tropous:
- Prwta kleineis enan idiotiko nhsi gia kapoia wra, epeita agorazeis tous titlous kai apo ekei koveis mia selida gia na thn dwseis ston antipalo.
Meta apo afto plhrwnete ena poso gia na thlemetafertheite ekei.
O Arxhgos vazei tous kanones ths monomaxias kai telos synantieste sto kentro tou nhsiou opou yparxei mia nekrh zwnh opou den vlepoun oute ta dika sou opla oute tou antipalou (exei kati mikra robotakia pou pyrovoloun tous antipalous otan plhsiasoun).
Kai tote monomaxeite mexri na varetheite

- O defteros tropos ginetai se ena meros pou onomazetai "Dynamis" alla prepei na eisai 75 level, na dwseis arketa lefta, na exeis full party kai ginetai mono 3 fores thn evdomada.

An anarwtieste an kanw plaka den kanw, pragmatika mono etsi kaneis PVP

Twra to an mporouses na synithiseis ton xeirismo h oxi den kserw, einai poly periergos alla oxi avolos, kyriws giati to paixnidi einai sxetika argo kai oxi fast paced opws sta poio polla pou apetoun spam twn skills, eksalou mporeis na ton alakseis, exei customization kai yparxei o wow tropos metakinhshs me ta WASDQE alla den me volevei katholou emena..
Me to pou lockareis ton stoxo patas "alt + A" kai o xarakthras epiteithetai monos tou, esy aplws vazeis ta skills mesa otan erthei h wra.
Otan exeis "lockarei" enan stoxo o xarakthras ton koitazei panta kai den ton xanei pote opote den vriskesai pote "off axis" ektos an to theleis.
Ta macros gia ta skills prepei na ta programmatiseis monos sou, paradeigma:

• /ja "Boost" <me>
• /wait 15
• /ja "Boost" <me>
• /wait 15
• /ja "Boost" <me>
• /recast "Boost"

Einai isws ligo kourastiko alla mporeis na programatiseis ta skill sou me poly megaliterh akriveia kai pokilia apo oti sto WoW.
Telos pantwn ksefevgw... Egw pantws tha paiksw thn PC ekdosh, tha xreiastw polla adds "ventrilo style"...

[Ground_zero]

Video me gameplay, distyxws ektos tou oti einai adeia h othonh den mporeis na deis kai polla
Parathrw kapoia action buttons sto katw meros kai oti ta grafika einai poly kala parolo pou prokeitai gia thn Alpha version tou paixnidiou, eprepe na deixnoun perissotera omws...

http://gamevideos.1up.com/video/id/25995

http://gamevideos.1up.com/video/id/25997

Hands on plhrofories:

15 minutes of Final Fantasy XIV Alpha gameplay

Well, I had 15 minutes to experience it, I played a so-called warrior and I could tell that I were super-buffed, having equipment far superior to the monsters I later engaged. My character started out in a small encampment. One of the first things I noticed was the graphics and the smooth movement system and animations. I could tell that Square Enix has worked hard on this game and there was a lot of polish present, not to mention the graphics were quite breathtaking – beautiful!

One of the Square Enix employees wanted to group up with me to participate in a quest together, so I joined his party (he was sitting at the PC at the right side of me). Also I had issues on my version of FFXIV, since the monsters were invisible to me, we fixed that by switching me to another PC.

On with the quest, it was a simple kill 6 monsters quest, we were instructed to kill ten peacock-like creatures and by following the compass it pointed us in the right direction. We managed to kill them all, but I never returned back (if I were suppose to?) to turn the quest back in. As for the combat, it felt a bit slow, but I enjoyed it. I think it felt very polished and the animations were synced well with how the creatures took the blows. They went down way fast though, due to us being ‘buffed’. Questing is a bit like in WoW.

Having only 15 minutes makes it hard to say a lot about the game, but overall I’m very impressed, I noticed a lot of clipping plane, so I’m guessing they’re still working on optimizing the graphics engine and didn’t want us to lag.

I explored the map as much as possible and went into a couple of invisible walls. A giant white castle was found after some poking and exploring around, but I couldn’t find a way to reach it.

The camera was a bit strange to me, you could adjustit with the arrow keys or the mouse, but it didn’t feel properly tuned yet. Maybe I’m just not used to it, though. That’s what the SE guy at the side of me said, ‘you’re doing great for just having played for a few minutes, when you get used to it, it’s really great”.

Several elements of the UI could be resized and moved around/customized – this made me happy and I’m wondering if there perhaps even will be space for some addons, like in other MMO’s. But it’s not a necessity IMO either way.

More on the combat, you target a creature with TAB, lock on it with X and bring out your weapon with F. Then you attack using your different abilities on the hotbar, they were set to 1, 2, 3 etc. The stronger abilities required certain “rage” (it’s called something else – but I forgot what it’s called now). After building up enough rage I had certain AOE abilities that I could used which destroyed the monsters we were fighting really fast, then again we were slightly overpowered for the mobs we fought.

All in all I’m very pleased with my short experience of playing the game and watching other people play. The game felt extremely polished for being in alpha. You don't often hear this, but for a game being a year away from release things are looking very good for FFXIV, I'm impressed. There’s obviously more to tell, but instead I’ll leave that to future news posts on our site. Keep checking, we’ll keep you updated twenty-four seven.

Opws provlepsa exei ligo periergo xeirismo kai o tropos pou kounas thn kamera fenetai idios me to FF11...

[dOOpLiSSaKoS]

Πωπω ο χειρισμός που περιγράφεις με κούρασε!! Το PvP πάλι το βαριέσε πριν το αρχίσεις!! Το τοπίο όμως...respect! Από story τι λέει?
Παίζεις το FFXI από τότε που βγήκε??

[Ground_zero]

Rwtas gia to FF11 twra h to FF14?
An milas gia to FF11 exei to kalytero PVE apo ola ta MMO pou exoun perasei apo ta xeria mou.
To story para poly kalo kai den einai mono 1, kathena apo ta 5 expansions prosthetei kainouries istories sto paixnidi pou allhlephdroun metaksy tous.
Kai to poio shmantiko apola einai oti akoma kai to poio mikro quest sou dixnei cutscene sequences gia to progression tou kai oxi 10 katevata text pou paw stoixhma pws den diavazei kaneis...
Nai paizw apo tote pou vghke sthn Evrwph, h kopia mou einai apo Agglia, mou thn eixe ferei enas filos.

An milas gia to FF14 oti vlepeis vlepw

Kainouria videos me tis races kai gameplay:

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/gc-09-final-fantasy/54444

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/gc-09-final-fantasy/54449

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/gc-09-final-fantasy/54468?type=flv

Apistefto!!


Sxolia apo ton germano parousiasth:

"It's not just about having many weapons, beating enemies and skilling up, but about learing a lot of different skills. What you see is all the same character. It all depends on what you feel like doing on that day. Let's say you had a good monday, you think you don't feel like fighting tonight. So you switch to the Gatherer and find treasures or catch some fish. The next day you might want to make your own weapon by becoming a better blacksmith..."

[dOOpLiSSaKoS]

Για το 11 μιλούσα..
Επίσης τώρα μία ερώτηση περί summons! Γίνεται στο group να έχεις δύο summoner και ταυτόχρονα δύο ίδια summon? Δηλαδή δύο Shiva την ίδια στιγμή!! :wha:

[Ground_zero]

Nai giati oxi? An kai ta kalytera summons einai h Garuda kai o Fenrir.
Ena group apo 6 summoner pownaroun trella sto paixnidi.

[Ground_zero]

Double post please delete!