Game Of Thrones

[kakashi_gr]

 

[Aion]

[Raf]

Από τα πιο ενδιαφέροντα πράγματα που διάβασα τελευταία: η ιστορία με τον ξάδελφο του Tyrion και τα ζωύφια ήταν αλληγορία για την ίδια την ιστορία: Ο ξάδελφος είναι ο Martin, τα ζωύφια είναι οι χαρακτήρες που σκοτώνει και ο Tyrion που ψάχνει να βρει το λόγο είναι οι θεατές/αναγνώστες.

[Evans]

I would buy that: εξηγεί πολλά και για τον Martin .

[Ramparter]

Εγω παντως θεωρησα οτι ηταν παραλληλισμος με το Βουνο και οτι ισως ηθελε να δειξει οτι ο Oberyn λαθεμενα εγκλοβιστηκε στη σκεψη πως ο Tywin εδωσε την εντολη για τη δολοφονια της Ellia Martell. Ισως το βουνο απλα να τη βιασε και να τη σκοτωσε μαζι με τα παιδια της γιατι απλα αυτος ειναι..

Ερωτηση και αμα ξερετε απαντατε με spoiler tag, δινεται ποτε στα βιβλια ξεκαθαρη απαντηση στο οτι ο Tywin ηταν ο ηθικος αυτουργος;

[Titus]

Ramp δίνεται και μάλιστα παραπάνω από ξεκάθαρη. Δε θυμάμαι όμως αν είναι στο τρίτο βιβλίο ή στο τέταρτο.

Επίσης μη γκρινιάζετε για σπόιλερς, έχουμε συναίσθηση του τι γράφουμε

[paixtis]

Εγω παντως θεωρησα οτι ηταν παραλληλισμος με το Βουνο και οτι ισως ηθελε να δειξει οτι ο Oberyn λαθεμενα εγκλοβιστηκε στη σκεψη πως ο Tywin εδωσε την εντολη για τη δολοφονια της Ellia Martell. Ισως το βουνο απλα να τη βιασε και να τη σκοτωσε μαζι με τα παιδια της γιατι απλα αυτος ειναι..

Ερωτηση και αμα ξερετε απαντατε με spoiler tag, δινεται ποτε στα βιβλια ξεκαθαρη απαντηση στο οτι ο Tywin ηταν ο ηθικος αυτουργος;

Ακριβώς και γω αυτό θεώρησα μέσες άκρες!Βασικά μόλις του έλιωσε το κεφάλι κατευθείαν πήγε το μυαλό μου στα σκαθάρια που τα έλιωνε ο ξάδερφος!Πολύ μπροστά λέμε!

[Titus]

Ramp, η απάντησή σου. Για όποιον ενδιαφέρεται δεν είναι ουσιαστικά spoiler γιατί αναφέρεται αποκλειστικά σε παλιότερα γεγονότα. Διάλογος Tyrion - Tywin στο τρίτο βιβλίο, κάποια στιγμή πριν τη μονομαχία. Πρώτη γραμμή Tyrion

 

“Very well, as you ask so pleasantly. The Red Viper is not going to be pleasant, I fear... nor will he content himself with Ser Gregor’s head alone.”
“All the more reason not to give it to him.”
“Not to... ?” Tyrion was shocked. “I thought we were agreed that the woods were full of beasts.”
“Lesser beasts.” Lord Tywin’s fingers laced together under his chin. “Ser Gregor has served us well. No other knight in the realm inspires such terror in our enemies.”
“Oberyn knows that Gregor was the one who...”
“He knows nothing. He has heard tales. Stable gossip and kitchen calumnies. He has no crumb of proof. Ser Gregor is certainly not about to confess to him. I mean to keep him well away for so long as the Dornishmen are in King’s Landing.”
“And when Oberyn demands the justice he’s come for?”
“I will tell him that Ser Amory Lorch killed Elia and her children,” Lord Tywin said calmly. “So will you, if he asks.”
“Ser Amory Lorch is dead,” Tyrion said flatly.
“Precisely. Vargo Hoat had Ser Amory torn apart by a bear after the fall of Harrenhal. That ought to be sufficiently grisly to appease even Oberyn Martell.”
“You may call that justice...
“It is justice. It was Ser Amory who brought me the girl’s body, if you must know. He found her hiding under her father’s bed, as if she believed Rhaegar could still protect her. Princess Elia and the babe were in the nursery a floor below.”
“Well, it’s a tale, and Ser Amory’s not like to deny it. What will you tell Oberyn when he asks who gave Lorch his orders?”
“Ser Amory acted on his own in the hope of winning favor from the new king. Robert’s hatred for Rhaegar was scarcely a secret.”
It might serve, Tyrion had to concede, but the snake will not be happy. “Far be it from me to question your cunning, Father, but in your place I do believe I’d have let Robert Baratheon bloody his own hands.”
Lord Tywin stared at him as if he had lost his wits. “You deserve that motley, then. We had come late to Robert’s cause. It was necessary to demonstrate our loyalty. When I laid those bodies before the throne, no man could doubt that we had forsaken House Targaryen forever. And Robert’s relief was palpable. As stupid as he was, even he knew that Rhaegar’s children had to die if his throne was ever to be secure. Yet he saw himself as a hero, and heroes do not kill children.” His father shrugged. “I grant you, it was done too brutally. Elia need not have been harmed at all, that was sheer folly. By herself she was nothing.”
“Then why did the Mountain kill her?”
“Because I did not tell him to spare her. I doubt I mentioned her at all. I had more pressing concerns. Ned Stark’s van was rushing south from the Trident, and I feared it might come to swords between us. And it was in Aerys to murder Jaime, with no more cause than spite. That was the thing I feared most. That, and what Jaime himself might do.” He closed a fist. “Nor did I yet grasp what I had in Gregor Clegane, only that he was huge and terrible in battle. The rape... even you will not accuse me of giving that command, I would hope. Ser Amory was almost as bestial with Rhaenys. I asked him afterward why it had required half a hundred thrusts to kill a girl of... two? Three? He said she’d kicked him and would not stop screaming. If Lorch had half the wits the gods gave a turnip, he would have calmed her with a few sweet words and used a soft silk pillow.” His mouth twisted in distaste. “The blood was in him.”
But not in you, Father. There is no blood in Tywin Lannister. “Was it a soft silk pillow that slew Robb Stark?”
“It was to be an arrow, at Edmure Tully’s wedding feast. The boy was too wary in the field. He kept his men in good order, and surrounded himself with outriders and bodyguards.”
“So Lord Walder slew him under his own roof, at his own table?” Tyrion made a fist. “What of Lady Catelyn?”
“Slain as well, I’d say. A pair of wolfskins. Frey had intended to keep her captive, but perhaps something went awry.”
“So much for guest right.”
“The blood is on Walder Frey’s hands, not mine.”

[Altair]

http://www.dorkly.com/post/63864/george-rr-martins-open-letter-about-the-deaths-in-game-of-thrones

[paixtis]

Τι είναι αυτό?

[Altair]

Δες το μη φοβάσαι.

[Aion]

http://www.dorkly.com/post/63864/geo...ame-of-thrones

Χεχε ωραίος.

[Aion]

EPIC το νέο επεισόδιο. Ωραία δουλειά. Evil Dead Army of Darkness anyone? ;)

[kakashi_gr]

 

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